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The Programming Public
More than slightly scary is the fact baby boomers are old enough to be grandparents.
Even more frightening is many are
Associated with that, one cant help but imagine boomers spinning yarns to their grandkids about the
days of yore when FMs couldnt be given away; gas not only cost less than a dollar a gallon you also
got free dishes and/or trading stamps with each fill-up; television choices usually stopped at channel
13; the Boston Red Sox would never win the World Series; and a cell phones only functions were to
make and receive calls.
Strain just a bit to hear it and youll identify Barbara Streisands Memories sneaking up in the
Or is it Dylan The Times They Are A-Changin?
Regarding the aforementioned lists last entry, there doesnt seem to be an end to what can be done
with that omnipresent device affixed to so many ears.
Moreover, the number of cell phones only proliferates.
For perspective, the United States estimated 2008 population is (roughly) 303 million and its
believed there are 250 million cell phones in the country.
Mindful of that and considering the public is now accustomed to
controlling content on its terms and convenience, Foneshow Co-
Founder/CEO Erik Schwartz developed a telephone-based
distribution platform for primarily short-form audio. If you think
about it, radio for the last 80 years has been a broadcast model, he
opines. One person talks and many [others] listen.
Things have pretty much been on the broadcasters schedule but
owing to the growth of the Internet, YouTube and other media,
thats not necessarily the case anymore. People want to do a lot of their own programming, M.I.T.-
educated Schwartz remarks. [Foneshow] allows radio stations to start doing that. They have this
great asset [with people who] can use their voices and minds to entertain, influence and inform
[others]. [Radio] will always be there because theres a huge, companionship piece to [it].
People arent always listening though when news happens. Its great [some] stations do `Traffic on
the Eights but if its nine minutes after the hour, you have to wait, Schwartz observes. If youre a
weekend [Talk radio host] and some major story happens, you dont get to talk about it for five days.
Hosts have opinions and an audience wanting to hear those opinions. Content creators can have a
-on-one relationship with their audience.
On first blush, it would seem a strong similarity exists between podcasts and what Schwartz has
invented (Foneshow), although the former is downloaded media. You have to connect to the Internet
and suck the whole thing down to a mobile device, he explains. Weve built streamed media. Theres
no digital copy of the show on your phone. We narrowcast directly to [it] from our servers. From a
technology standpoint, many stations arent quite there yet [with podcasts].
If a content provider is already feeding podcasts to iTunes or [Really Simple Syndication] subscribers,
there is, according to Schwartz, essentially zero work involved in integrating Foneshow. You take
that RSS feed and mobilize it, he states. We have a very simple web interface tool that [makes it
possible] for [stations] to upload audio. At that point, theyre just creating an audio file and thats
what they are good at doing.
Ocean enthusiast Schwartz was at the beach with a friend one day in September 2006.
Both self-described news and Talk radio junkies wondered why they didnt listen to news podcasts. It
seems like something we should care about but we didnt, Schwartz recounts. The problem we
came up with was that by the time content went from the creator, aggregated at Apple, came down
[via RSS] to our local computer and finally got synched to the iPod when I plugged it in to [re
it, [the news] was a day and a half old. The thin
g about news is that its ephemeral. Some news
stories are still interesting a day and a half later but, if Ive already heard it somewhere else, its not
Thats when they started considering alternative ways of delivering programming in a
Given as inferred above that virtually everyone has a cell phone, Schwartz brainstormed how he could
marry that pre-existing technology with his innovation. The first thing we thought was wed build [an
application] that ran on the hand
set [but] we then realized [doing that] was challenging because
there arent many standards, he explains. It runs differently on [Motorolas RAZR] than it would on
a Blackberry [or] on the cheap, little phone I pick up at Wal-Mart. So we thought about how to do
everything we wanted to do but not require any software running on the handset that wasnt already
on [it]. We came up with this neat little system.
As soon as content is published, a text message is sent to all subscribers of that particular ser
Several pieces of information are included within that communication including series name; a specific
shows topic; and program length. We think its really important people know what theyre getting
into when they start something, Schwartz state
s. Theres also a coded access number. The great
thing about [most] handsets is its easy to dial an access number embedded within a text message.
All I have to do is hit `send and my cell phone dials the embedded number and that piece of content
[immediately] starts to play. Youre not going through a big, ugly voice menu system.
Chat Develops Into A Company
Just two months after the original beach conversation, Schwartz had devised a prototype he was
happy with and effectively transitioned an idea i
nto an actual company.
Five fulltime employees and several consultants, including former Air America honcho
are part of the Portland, ME-based operation which was taken from private to public beta in January
2007. [Jons] been an enormous amount of help to us, notes Schwartz, who in August 2007 closed
a slightly more than $1 million venture capital round. Weve been ramping up the company ever
since. Im from the world of software developers where, as soon as something works, you [unveil] it
and see what people think. It began getting significant traction [by summertime 2007].
Others are trying to do something similar using Smart Phones data channel. Thats interesting but
there arent that many Smart Phones out there, Schwartz notes. Only about 11 million cell phones
in this country are Smart Phones.
Greater accountability to advertisers is among the most significant fallouts radio faces in the Internet
age and Schwartz maintains, Theres a reason Google is a $150 billion company. Theyve made ad
sales an intellectual decision [rather than an] emotional [one].
Three advertising units appear within Foneshow, including a one
-liner at the bottom of the text
message. The station [or host] keeps any in-stream advertising, Schwartz points out. We can
report back very specifically how many people have listened. Thats basic CPM advertising. Call-to-
action within radio advertising gets listeners to make phone calls [such as] `Call Geico to get an
Businesses know to the dollar how much marketing money they spend for each phone call received
and as Schwartz explains, We already have you on the phone. We could put in a pre-
roll that says,
`This show is sponsored by Geico. To get an insurance quote at any time, press five. Suddenly,
youre doing cost-
Snacks Not Dinner
Numerous radio stations already do text messaging contests as
they look to stay connected with their audience in as many
ways as possible.
Something such as Foneshow therefore isnt a giant leap for them. Theyre working hard on their
websites and thinking of ways to generate revenue, Schwartz states. Broadcast revenues are
slipping and theyre looking to make up for it in interactive and mobile. We think this can help them.
Talk radio is the initial focus and Schwartz emphasizes short-form content is important. Those people
have an opinion and can get a point across with very viral content. Theres no reason in the world
every baseball games post-game show shouldnt be sent out this way. People dont have time to
listen to 162 baseball games but want more information than `Red Sox 5, Yankees 3. You start to get
some of the emotion from a five-
Since theres no technical limit with regard to program length, its possible for someone to put out full
three-hour shows on the cellular phone network although Schwartz contends, No one wants to listen
to something on their cell phone [for that long]. Thats not really my cup of tea. This is about content
snacking. You get to break long audio into chunks. If I call in to listen for ten minutes and then call
back later, it picks up from where I left off. Its not about hearing an entire Rush Limbaugh show on
Likewise, it isnt necessarily a great platform for consuming music because audio quality is limited by
the switched phone network. Ive talked with [executives of] a bunch of music stations and they had
some interesting ideas about how they could use [Foneshow] for artist interviews, [giveaways] and
concert information, Schwartz points out. They know the nuts and bolts of their industry Im just a
Regular messaging rates apply and Schwartz notes his text message plan enables him to receive
5,000 monthly messages for $15. Cellular carriers have recently been encouraging people to get text
Cutting-edge is hardly new to Schwartz who created a little thing called Yahoo! Entertainment which
he acknowledges was a rollercoaster ride. I was doing crazy stuff like interactive television in 1991.
No one had any idea what I was talking about. I got a call in the mid-1990s from a friend who was
working at a cool company [Yahoo!] that wanted to get into the entertainment business.
No one there at that point was working in entertainment and Schwartz was brought in to build up
such a group. I was employee #200 and spent nearly four years there, Schwartz points out. [All
preceded by the word Yahoo!], we built `Radio, `TV, `Games, `Movies, `Entertainment and
`Astrology. I left shortly after the broadcast dot com acquisition.
Early-on Yahoo! mantra was Were going for the big audience and Schwartz explains in order to do
that, You must have a product that works the same across all different platforms. It was all about
becoming ubiquitous. Radio is so powerful because it is ubiquitous. A radio is cheap and works the
same way everywhere. You turn it on; choose a frequency; and listen. A data plan phone product isnt
ubiquitous [but] cell phones [are]. They all have voice and text messaging. If you want to be mobile
and [omnipresent] at this point, you have to work within the confines of text messaging and voice. As
the technology changes, you can leverage that audience but it really is about being everywhere.
Some of the 15 years Schwartz spent in Silicon Valley was at Yahoo! and a portion at other startups.
It was that experience, perhaps even more so than that at Yahoo!, that helped make Foneshow a
reality. The Valleys attitude toward problems is you just go and solve them, states Schwartz. You
dont let them fester you deal with them. [Even though Foneshow is headquartered in Portland,
ME], were very much of a Silicon Valley-
Broadcasters As Content Providers
Several things are taking longer than Schwartz would prefer in this specific process and he confides,
Its more complicated than we thought it was going to be when we first began working on it. We
thought it would be fairly simple to build. More or less [
though], were pretty much on-plan as far as
our products are concerned.
Occasionally caught up in radios theater
mind, it has admittedly been more than a bit surreal
for Schwartz when he actually gets to meet radio hosts hes listened to for years. It becomes an odd
conversation because you know them very well [but] they dont know you at all, he remarks. That
has taken some getting used to.
Many people have written radios obituary although Schwartz stresses, I dont think it is dead. You
need to think about different ways to distribute programming and skills developed doing radio
through the years. It can suit you well to transmit over a different medium.
Content providers have generally been open about Foneshow and Schwartz remarks, Its been
interesting to take that basic core experience and move it to a different platform. Theyre getting
distribution from it and like that. The radio industry isnt the fastest to embrace new technology.
Some asked why theyd need something like this because they already have a transmitter.
Conversely however, others are beginning to come around. They now realize theyre in the content
business and not necessarily in the radio business, Schwartz states. The real power of what theyre
doing is creating content.
by Mike Kinosian
Jon Sinton was profiled in The Mike Kinosian Interview (5
-10-2004) archived here on
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